System File Checker

Good to hear, darling.. I am not sure when finish is today.. maybe sometime
between 11:00 and midday.. ILD.. DL..


"eddieb" wrote in message

> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
> upgrade
> to XP.
> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker and get
> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in knowledge
> base
> article
> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I have
> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support forums.
> Lots of info but
> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without the
> XP
> SP2
> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by KB900910,
> I
> am
> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
> Thank You
> --
> eddieb
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Eddie, please ignore my second post.. this is the second time that messages
have migrated from one message system to another.. I will look into it.. in
the meantime, Marc Liron's page should work for you.. I have tried it before
with good results..


"eddieb" wrote in message

> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
> upgrade
> to XP.
> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker and get
> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in knowledge
> base
> article
> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I have
> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support forums.
> Lots of info but
> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without the
> XP
> SP2
> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by KB900910,
> I
> am
> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
> Thank You
> --
> eddieb
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Do you have any Dell CD even one for ME or an upgrade Dell CD?
Alternatively is the a restore partition you can Browse to?


--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


"eddieb" wrote in message

> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
> upgrade
> to XP.
> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker and
> get
> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in
> knowledge base
> article
> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I
> have
> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support
> forums.
> Lots of info but
> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without
> the XP
> SP2
> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by
> KB900910, I
> am
> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
> Thank You
> --
> eddieb
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Gerry

This is one bad thing about the way in which an OS is supplied on OEM
machines.. neither sfc or the 'repair function are available.. the concept
seems to be that the average user has nothing meaningful saved, so what is
the harm in only offering a complete manufacturer system restore 'back to
factory'


"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message

> Do you have any Dell CD even one for ME or an upgrade Dell CD?
> Alternatively is the a restore partition you can Browse to?
>
>
> --
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
>
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> "eddieb" wrote in message
>
>> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
>> upgrade
>> to XP.
>> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker and get
>> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in knowledge
>> base
>> article
>> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I have
>> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support forums.
>> Lots of info but
>> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without the
>> XP
>> SP2
>> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by
>> KB900910, I
>> am
>> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
>> Thank You
>> --
>> eddieb
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Mike,

FYI:
I, too, have a Dell 8200. I have used SCF. The Dell "Restore Disc" suffices
for providing the information. I don't know for sure, since I haven't tried,
but I would assume that a "Restore Partition" would too.

Milt


"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote:

> Gerry
>
> This is one bad thing about the way in which an OS is supplied on OEM
> machines.. neither sfc or the 'repair function are available.. the concept
> seems to be that the average user has nothing meaningful saved, so what is
> the harm in only offering a complete manufacturer system restore 'back to
> factory'
>
>
> "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
>
> > Do you have any Dell CD even one for ME or an upgrade Dell CD?
> > Alternatively is the a restore partition you can Browse to?
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Gerry
> > ~~~~
> > FCA
> > Stourport, England
> >
> > Enquire, plan and execute
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > "eddieb" wrote in message
> >
> >> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
> >> upgrade
> >> to XP.
> >> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker and get
> >> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in knowledge
> >> base
> >> article
> >> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I have
> >> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support forums.
> >> Lots of info but
> >> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without the
> >> XP
> >> SP2
> >> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by
> >> KB900910, I
> >> am
> >> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
> >> Thank You
> >> --
> >> eddieb
> >
> >
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

I think that the concept is that they (the OEM's) know that the end user
will eventually need a "real" Windows cd so they will have to pay to
obtain one, in essence making unwitting customers pay for what they
essentially more or less already paid for! Microsoft of course will say
nothing and wash their hands of this despicable practice, saying that
the issue is with the OEM only. Of course Microsoft gains from this
scurrilous practice because many of these frustrated OEM customers end
up going to a local store to buy a retail Windows version so Microsoft
has a vested interest in keeping the practice alive.

With product activation and the piracy provisions that Microsoft now has
in place there is no reason for this obscene practice to be allowed to
continue. Microsoft could simply tell the OEM's that they MUST include
a real Windows CD with the sale of the computer, that would add about a
whole 50 cents to the cost of the goods sold. Of course those who
defend the practice will say that it is up to the customer to ask for
the cd when they order or buy the computer, or that this is the way the
free market operates. Probably true but unfortunately not all consumers
know all there is to know about these things and even in a free market
consumer interests have to be protected by laws when the sellers make it
a habit of taking advantage of unsuspecting customers.

John

Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:

> Gerry
>
> This is one bad thing about the way in which an OS is supplied on OEM
> machines.. neither sfc or the 'repair function are available.. the
> concept seems to be that the average user has nothing meaningful saved,
> so what is the harm in only offering a complete manufacturer system
> restore 'back to factory'
>
>
> "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
>
>
>> Do you have any Dell CD even one for ME or an upgrade Dell CD?
>> Alternatively is the a restore partition you can Browse to?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Gerry
>> ~~~~
>> FCA
>> Stourport, England
>>
>> Enquire, plan and execute
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> "eddieb" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
>>> upgrade
>>> to XP.
>>> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker and
>>> get
>>> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in
>>> knowledge base
>>> article
>>> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I have
>>> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support
>>> forums.
>>> Lots of info but
>>> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without
>>> the XP
>>> SP2
>>> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by
>>> KB900910, I
>>> am
>>> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
>>> Thank You
>>> --
>>> eddieb
>>
>>
>>
>
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

John John wrote:

>I think that the concept is that they (the OEM's) know that the end user
>will eventually need a "real" Windows cd so they will have to pay to
>obtain one, in essence making unwitting customers pay for what they
>essentially more or less already paid for! Microsoft of course will say
>nothing and wash their hands of this despicable practice, saying that
>the issue is with the OEM only. Of course Microsoft gains from this
>scurrilous practice because many of these frustrated OEM customers end
>up going to a local store to buy a retail Windows version so Microsoft
>has a vested interest in keeping the practice alive.
>
>With product activation and the piracy provisions that Microsoft now has
>in place there is no reason for this obscene practice to be allowed to
>continue. Microsoft could simply tell the OEM's that they MUST include
>a real Windows CD with the sale of the computer, that would add about a
>whole 50 cents to the cost of the goods sold. Of course those who
>defend the practice will say that it is up to the customer to ask for
>the cd when they order or buy the computer, or that this is the way the
>free market operates. Probably true but unfortunately not all consumers
>know all there is to know about these things and even in a free market
>consumer interests have to be protected by laws when the sellers make it
>a habit of taking advantage of unsuspecting customers.
>
>John

Actually the real underlying cause of this situation is the cost of
telephone support, and the fact that the overwhelming majority of
support issues are user-inflicted such as virus/spyware infestations,
incompatible applications being installed, or hardware add-ons with
buggy/defective drivers.

By providing a "system recovery" disk or partition instead of an
installation CD the OEMs can just tell the customer to do a system
recovery and if that solves the problem (and it does in the vast
majority of instances) then the OEM is absolved of any responsibility
for the original problem.

I saw a report a couple of years ago that indicated that the average
cost of a technical support telephone call was $45, including all of
the overhead, supervision, and facility costs. With the low prices
of computer hardware it only takes an average just over one support
call per computer sale to wipe out the entire profit.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Milt

Thanks for the heads up on the Dell supplied CD being able to manage SFC..
it all depends on the kind of CD supplied by manufacturers..

"Milt" wrote in message

> Mike,
>
> FYI:
> I, too, have a Dell 8200. I have used SCF. The Dell "Restore Disc"
> suffices
> for providing the information. I don't know for sure, since I haven't
> tried,
> but I would assume that a "Restore Partition" would too.
>
> Milt
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote:
>
>> Gerry
>>
>> This is one bad thing about the way in which an OS is supplied on OEM
>> machines.. neither sfc or the 'repair function are available.. the
>> concept
>> seems to be that the average user has nothing meaningful saved, so what
>> is
>> the harm in only offering a complete manufacturer system restore 'back to
>> factory'
>>
>>
>> "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
>>
>> > Do you have any Dell CD even one for ME or an upgrade Dell CD?
>> > Alternatively is the a restore partition you can Browse to?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Hope this helps.
>> >
>> > Gerry
>> > ~~~~
>> > FCA
>> > Stourport, England
>> >
>> > Enquire, plan and execute
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >
>> >
>> > "eddieb" wrote in message
>> >
>> >> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
>> >> upgrade
>> >> to XP.
>> >> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker and
>> >> get
>> >> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in
>> >> knowledge
>> >> base
>> >> article
>> >> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I
>> >> have
>> >> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support
>> >> forums.
>> >> Lots of info but
>> >> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without
>> >> the
>> >> XP
>> >> SP2
>> >> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by
>> >> KB900910, I
>> >> am
>> >> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
>> >> Thank You
>> >> --
>> >> eddieb
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Mike

The OP has taken a tortuous route to get to SP2. Inability to
use System File Checker is one thing but inability to boot
could be the next problem.

Doesn't the inability to use Repair Install only apply to own
brand systems but not to the generic OEM Windows XP?
Another problem is the implications of restore disks.

I agree the whole area is full of problems.

--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in
message
> Gerry
>
> This is one bad thing about the way in which an OS is supplied on OEM
> machines.. neither sfc or the 'repair function are available.. the
> concept seems to be that the average user has nothing meaningful
> saved, so what is the harm in only offering a complete manufacturer
> system restore 'back to factory'
>
>
> "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
>
>> Do you have any Dell CD even one for ME or an upgrade Dell CD?
>> Alternatively is the a restore partition you can Browse to?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Gerry
>> ~~~~
>> FCA
>> Stourport, England
>>
>> Enquire, plan and execute
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>> "eddieb" wrote in message
>>
>>> Running xp sp2 on Dell Dimension 8200. O/S originally ME...had Dell
>>> upgrade
>>> to XP.
>>> XP SP2 downloaded (not on cd). Trying to run system file checker
>>> and get
>>> message to insert cd. Don't have cd. Have tried solution in
>>> knowledge base
>>> article
>>> 900910 and still doesn't work...keep getting insert cd message. I
>>> have
>>> looked through Microsoft Knowledge Base articles and Dell support
>>> forums.
>>> Lots of info but
>>> none seems to work. Is there any way I can run SFC /Scannow without
>>> the XP
>>> SP2
>>> cd ? Even though I have modifed the registry key as required by
>>> KB900910, I
>>> am
>>> a novice would very much appreciate any help.
>>> Thank You
>>> --
>>> eddieb
>>
>>
>
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Ron

Wouldn't telephone support be less expensive if they
substituted less problematic software for Norton and
McAfee products presently offered?


--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England

Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Ron Martell" wrote in message

>
> Actually the real underlying cause of this situation is the cost of
> telephone support, and the fact that the overwhelming majority of
> support issues are user-inflicted such as virus/spyware infestations,
> incompatible applications being installed, or hardware add-ons with
> buggy/defective drivers.
>
> By providing a "system recovery" disk or partition instead of an
> installation CD the OEMs can just tell the customer to do a system
> recovery and if that solves the problem (and it does in the vast
> majority of instances) then the OEM is absolved of any responsibility
> for the original problem.
>
> I saw a report a couple of years ago that indicated that the average
> cost of a technical support telephone call was $45, including all of
> the overhead, supervision, and facility costs. With the low prices
> of computer hardware it only takes an average just over one support
> call per computer sale to wipe out the entire profit.
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
> On-Line Help Computer Service
> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
> Syberfix Remote Computer Repair
>
> "Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
> has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Since the fixitall is to run the restore disk, I think the user learns
not to call.

Gerry Cornell wrote:

> Ron
>
> Wouldn't telephone support be less expensive if they
> substituted less problematic software for Norton and
> McAfee products presently offered?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Ron Martell wrote:

> John John wrote:
>
>
>>I think that the concept is that they (the OEM's) know that the end user
>>will eventually need a "real" Windows cd so they will have to pay to
>>obtain one, in essence making unwitting customers pay for what they
>>essentially more or less already paid for! Microsoft of course will say
>>nothing and wash their hands of this despicable practice, saying that
>>the issue is with the OEM only. Of course Microsoft gains from this
>>scurrilous practice because many of these frustrated OEM customers end
>>up going to a local store to buy a retail Windows version so Microsoft
>>has a vested interest in keeping the practice alive.
>>
>>With product activation and the piracy provisions that Microsoft now has
>>in place there is no reason for this obscene practice to be allowed to
>>continue. Microsoft could simply tell the OEM's that they MUST include
>>a real Windows CD with the sale of the computer, that would add about a
>>whole 50 cents to the cost of the goods sold. Of course those who
>>defend the practice will say that it is up to the customer to ask for
>>the cd when they order or buy the computer, or that this is the way the
>>free market operates. Probably true but unfortunately not all consumers
>>know all there is to know about these things and even in a free market
>>consumer interests have to be protected by laws when the sellers make it
>>a habit of taking advantage of unsuspecting customers.
>>
>>John
>
>
> Actually the real underlying cause of this situation is the cost of
> telephone support, and the fact that the overwhelming majority of
> support issues are user-inflicted such as virus/spyware infestations,
> incompatible applications being installed, or hardware add-ons with
> buggy/defective drivers.
>
> By providing a "system recovery" disk or partition instead of an
> installation CD the OEMs can just tell the customer to do a system
> recovery and if that solves the problem (and it does in the vast
> majority of instances) then the OEM is absolved of any responsibility
> for the original problem.
>
> I saw a report a couple of years ago that indicated that the average
> cost of a technical support telephone call was $45, including all of
> the overhead, supervision, and facility costs. With the low prices
> of computer hardware it only takes an average just over one support
> call per computer sale to wipe out the entire profit.

True, but then all the majors (and one of the bigger one in particular)
make it a point in their advertising of telling consumers how absolutely
great their tech support is. The guys that never sleep... where the
lights never get turned off. When people buy from them they even try to
up sell them extended support. You can't have your cake and eat it too...

If they gave real cd's to the customers maybe they would get fewer calls
because the customers could at least try to fix their computers instead
of having to call the support department for all kinds of minor problems
that can be fixed using a real Windows CD.

John
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker 

Either that or they know that if they call they will be put on "ignore"
for an hour and a half only to be then "served" by someone who barely
understand or speaks any languages that the caller speaks, let alone
provide accurate answers for problems not on their short scripted list!

John

Bob I wrote:

> Since the fixitall is to run the restore disk, I think the user learns
> not to call.
>
> Gerry Cornell wrote:
>
>> Ron
>>
>> Wouldn't telephone support be less expensive if they
>> substituted less problematic software for Norton and
>> McAfee products presently offered?
>>
>>
>
 >> Stay informed about: System File Checker