Two part question: SYSTRAY & need help with BAT or SCRIPT

I think that Tech Support were probably reading from the Windows 9x
pages. I have never seen systray.exe shown as a running process on any
NT versions (Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista), and while killing Explorer.exe
on Windows 9x effectively kills the Windows session, Explorer.exe is
hardly a critical process on NT versions and few programs actually need
Explorer.exe running to run properly, Explorer.exe can usually be killed
with little side effects.

Also, you cannot effectively run Windows XP without six critical system
services, if you try to kill these services Windows will crash:

- Csrss.exe (Client/Server Runtime Server Subsystem)
- Lsass.exe (Local Security Authority Service)
- Smss.exe (Session Manager Subsystem)
- RpcSs (Remote Procedure Call Server Service)*
- Winlogon.exe (Windows logon process)
- services.exe (Windows Service Controller)

* Runs inside one of the SVChost.exe. Not critical in its own right but
hardly anything runs without it.

So there you have it, the 6 critical processes, without these 6 items
things don't work too well! Along with that the Task Manager would show:

- System (the kernel or kernel-mode threads)
- System Idle Process (Not a process or service but a single thread that
runs on each processor, its sole task is to account for processor time
spent doing nothing.)

And there you have it, plain and simply the minimum 8 items that will or
should always show in the Task Manager, add the Task Manager itself to
the list and it will give you 9 processes. Without a doubt the Tech
Support were giving you a Windows 9x solution or they were half asleep,
trying to kill these critical services will end the Windows session.

To disable unnecessary processes or services when you want to run your
game you could craft a batch file but you can also do this with
FSAutoStart. This utility was made for Flight Sim fans who need to
squeeze all the juice from their machines when they play but it can be
used for the same purpose for any software or game
http://kensalter.com/software/

John


Phil wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a video game that will only run if I shut down all BUT the SYSTRAY and
> EXPLORER.EXE processes, so I've been told by Tech Support.
>
> The first question is this: If you look at the running processes, what is
> the actual IMAGE NAME of SYSTRAY? I don't see anything in there that says
> SYSTRAY.
>
> As I said earlier, the only way to make the game run is to delete all of the
> process except the aforementioned two. As you can imagine, it is very
> tedious to sit there and delete all of the undesired processes one-by-one.
>
> So my second question is this: Is there a way to write a BAT file so that I
> can get only the above mentioned processes to load?
>
> If you have a better idea on how to approach this (instead of using a BAT
> file), like a script (or whatever), I'm all ears.
>
> I have ADMIN rights to this PC, also.
>
> Using XP Pro, SP2 on a 2006 Dell XPS600, with 256mb nVidia video card, with
> 1gb RAM.
>
> TIA.
 >> Stay informed about: Two part question: SYSTRAY & need help with BAT or SCRIPT 

John,

Thanks for the VERY informative reply. I have gone to Ken Salter's site and
downloaded FSAutoStart and will give it ago.

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Phil

"John John" wrote:

> I think that Tech Support were probably reading from the Windows 9x
> pages. I have never seen systray.exe shown as a running process on any
> NT versions (Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista), and while killing Explorer.exe
> on Windows 9x effectively kills the Windows session, Explorer.exe is
> hardly a critical process on NT versions and few programs actually need
> Explorer.exe running to run properly, Explorer.exe can usually be killed
> with little side effects.
>
> Also, you cannot effectively run Windows XP without six critical system
> services, if you try to kill these services Windows will crash:
>
> - Csrss.exe (Client/Server Runtime Server Subsystem)
> - Lsass.exe (Local Security Authority Service)
> - Smss.exe (Session Manager Subsystem)
> - RpcSs (Remote Procedure Call Server Service)*
> - Winlogon.exe (Windows logon process)
> - services.exe (Windows Service Controller)
>
> * Runs inside one of the SVChost.exe. Not critical in its own right but
> hardly anything runs without it.
>
> So there you have it, the 6 critical processes, without these 6 items
> things don't work too well! Along with that the Task Manager would show:
>
> - System (the kernel or kernel-mode threads)
> - System Idle Process (Not a process or service but a single thread that
> runs on each processor, its sole task is to account for processor time
> spent doing nothing.)
>
> And there you have it, plain and simply the minimum 8 items that will or
> should always show in the Task Manager, add the Task Manager itself to
> the list and it will give you 9 processes. Without a doubt the Tech
> Support were giving you a Windows 9x solution or they were half asleep,
> trying to kill these critical services will end the Windows session.
>
> To disable unnecessary processes or services when you want to run your
> game you could craft a batch file but you can also do this with
> FSAutoStart. This utility was made for Flight Sim fans who need to
> squeeze all the juice from their machines when they play but it can be
> used for the same purpose for any software or game
> http://kensalter.com/software/
>
> John
>
>
> Phil wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a video game that will only run if I shut down all BUT the SYSTRAY and
> > EXPLORER.EXE processes, so I've been told by Tech Support.
> >
> > The first question is this: If you look at the running processes, what is
> > the actual IMAGE NAME of SYSTRAY? I don't see anything in there that says
> > SYSTRAY.
> >
> > As I said earlier, the only way to make the game run is to delete all of the
> > process except the aforementioned two. As you can imagine, it is very
> > tedious to sit there and delete all of the undesired processes one-by-one.
> >
> > So my second question is this: Is there a way to write a BAT file so that I
> > can get only the above mentioned processes to load?
> >
> > If you have a better idea on how to approach this (instead of using a BAT
> > file), like a script (or whatever), I'm all ears.
> >
> > I have ADMIN rights to this PC, also.
> >
> > Using XP Pro, SP2 on a 2006 Dell XPS600, with 256mb nVidia video card, with
> > 1gb RAM.
> >
> > TIA.
>
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Hi,

Which one(s) do you recommend?

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>
> "Phil" wrote in message
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a video game that will only run if I shut down all BUT the SYSTRAY
> > and
> > EXPLORER.EXE processes, so I've been told by Tech Support.
> >
> > The first question is this: If you look at the running processes, what is
> > the actual IMAGE NAME of SYSTRAY? I don't see anything in there that says
> > SYSTRAY.
> >
> > As I said earlier, the only way to make the game run is to delete all of
> > the
> > process except the aforementioned two. As you can imagine, it is very
> > tedious to sit there and delete all of the undesired processes one-by-one.
> >
> > So my second question is this: Is there a way to write a BAT file so that
> > I
> > can get only the above mentioned processes to load?
> >
> > If you have a better idea on how to approach this (instead of using a BAT
> > file), like a script (or whatever), I'm all ears.
> >
> > I have ADMIN rights to this PC, also.
> >
> > Using XP Pro, SP2 on a 2006 Dell XPS600, with 256mb nVidia video card,
> > with
> > 1gb RAM.
> >
> > TIA.
>
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Two part question: SYSTRAY & need help with BAT or SCRIPT 

You're welcome.

John

Phil wrote:

> John,
>
> Thanks for the VERY informative reply. I have gone to Ken Salter's site and
> downloaded FSAutoStart and will give it ago.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phil
>
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>I think that Tech Support were probably reading from the Windows 9x
>>pages. I have never seen systray.exe shown as a running process on any
>>NT versions (Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista), and while killing Explorer.exe
>>on Windows 9x effectively kills the Windows session, Explorer.exe is
>>hardly a critical process on NT versions and few programs actually need
>>Explorer.exe running to run properly, Explorer.exe can usually be killed
>>with little side effects.
>>
>>Also, you cannot effectively run Windows XP without six critical system
>>services, if you try to kill these services Windows will crash:
>>
>>- Csrss.exe (Client/Server Runtime Server Subsystem)
>>- Lsass.exe (Local Security Authority Service)
>>- Smss.exe (Session Manager Subsystem)
>>- RpcSs (Remote Procedure Call Server Service)*
>>- Winlogon.exe (Windows logon process)
>>- services.exe (Windows Service Controller)
>>
>>* Runs inside one of the SVChost.exe. Not critical in its own right but
>>hardly anything runs without it.
>>
>>So there you have it, the 6 critical processes, without these 6 items
>>things don't work too well! Along with that the Task Manager would show:
>>
>>- System (the kernel or kernel-mode threads)
>>- System Idle Process (Not a process or service but a single thread that
>>runs on each processor, its sole task is to account for processor time
>>spent doing nothing.)
>>
>>And there you have it, plain and simply the minimum 8 items that will or
>>should always show in the Task Manager, add the Task Manager itself to
>>the list and it will give you 9 processes. Without a doubt the Tech
>>Support were giving you a Windows 9x solution or they were half asleep,
>>trying to kill these critical services will end the Windows session.
>>
>>To disable unnecessary processes or services when you want to run your
>>game you could craft a batch file but you can also do this with
>>FSAutoStart. This utility was made for Flight Sim fans who need to
>>squeeze all the juice from their machines when they play but it can be
>>used for the same purpose for any software or game
>>http://kensalter.com/software/
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>Phil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I have a video game that will only run if I shut down all BUT the SYSTRAY and
>>>EXPLORER.EXE processes, so I've been told by Tech Support.
>>>
>>>The first question is this: If you look at the running processes, what is
>>>the actual IMAGE NAME of SYSTRAY? I don't see anything in there that says
>>>SYSTRAY.
>>>
>>>As I said earlier, the only way to make the game run is to delete all of the
>>>process except the aforementioned two. As you can imagine, it is very
>>>tedious to sit there and delete all of the undesired processes one-by-one.
>>>
>>>So my second question is this: Is there a way to write a BAT file so that I
>>>can get only the above mentioned processes to load?
>>>
>>>If you have a better idea on how to approach this (instead of using a BAT
>>>file), like a script (or whatever), I'm all ears.
>>>
>>>I have ADMIN rights to this PC, also.
>>>
>>>Using XP Pro, SP2 on a 2006 Dell XPS600, with 256mb nVidia video card, with
>>>1gb RAM.
>>>
>>>TIA.
>>
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Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:50:01 -0800 from Phil
:
> I have a video game that will only run if I shut down all BUT the SYSTRAY and
> EXPLORER.EXE processes, so I've been told by Tech Support.

See answers in the other newsgroup where you posted.

Please don't multipost.

--
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http://OakRoadSystems.com
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top posting such a bad thing?
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Hi Stan,

I DID see your reply in the "Customizing Windows" forum, but it looked like
it only answered 1/2 of my question. Also, from what I've read, it has been
suggested that SYSTRAY is NOT related to EXPLORER, but I could be wrong.

Also, I hope you can understand why I had cross posted. You see, I had
originally posted to the "Customizing Windows" forum (at the beginning of the
day) and initially got no useful answers by the end of the day.

I gave up on that forum and then posted in the "New Users Discussions";
which is somewhat ironic considering that this is hardly something that a
"New User" would be contemplating.

Oh well. Like I said, I hope you can understand.


"Stan Brown" wrote:

> Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:50:01 -0800 from Phil
> :
> > I have a video game that will only run if I shut down all BUT the SYSTRAY and
> > EXPLORER.EXE processes, so I've been told by Tech Support.
>
> See answers in the other newsgroup where you posted.
>
> Please don't multipost.
>
> --
> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://OakRoadSystems.com
> A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top posting.
> Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top posting such a bad thing?
>
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Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:20:00 -0800 from Phil
:
> Also, I hope you can understand why I had cross posted.

You did NOT crosspost, which would have been venial at worst; you
multiposted.

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http://OakRoadSystems.com
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top posting such a bad thing?
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"Stan Brown" wrote:

> Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:20:00 -0800 from Phil
> :
> > Also, I hope you can understand why I had cross posted.
>
> You did NOT crosspost, which would have been venial at worst; you
> multiposted.
>
> --
> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://OakRoadSystems.com
> A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top posting.
> Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top posting such a bad thing?
>

OK. Thanks f or the clarification. It makes sense now.

I guess next time it will be better to use the cross post box provided
below, so that the readers will at least know that the thread has been
cross-posted, so they won't waste time answering it in another forum.
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