hidden hit counter
Welcome to WindowsForumz.com!
FAQFAQ      ProfileProfile    Private MessagesPrivate Messages   Log inLog in

running applications all at once

 
   Windows XP (Home) -> General Discussion RSS
Next:  Automatic copies of empty folders in My Pictures,..  
Author Message
st

External


Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posts: 25



(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:10 pm
Post subject: running applications all at once
Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windowsxp>general (more info?)

What is the best way to run applications? If I want to run spybot, adaware,
defrag and disk clean up will it get done faster if i run them all at once or
1 at a time or does it not matter. To me it does not seem like it should
matter.

 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
Colin Barnhorst

External


Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posts: 307



(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:58 pm
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Depends on your computer. With multicore computers you can do quite a bit
more concurrently. I sometimes see Windows Defender scanning at the same
time my antivirus does. It doesn't seem to affect performance for me.
That's with a Q6600 cpu and lots of ram, though. If you are on a
single-core cpu and 1GB of ram it probably would be a better idea to run
them in series if you are manually running them.

"st" <st RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D58D96CC-6302-4E81-8C77-D8B956505E55@microsoft.com...
> What is the best way to run applications? If I want to run spybot,
> adaware,
> defrag and disk clean up will it get done faster if i run them all at once
> or
> 1 at a time or does it not matter. To me it does not seem like it should
> matter.

 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
st

External


Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posts: 25



(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:58 pm
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

But can someone explain it to me more why it matters. Because to me it seems
like if i spend 15 minutes per program and i am running each one seperately
and if i have 4 of them to run thats 1 hour. If i run them all at once to me
it seems like it would still take an hour.

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Depends on your computer. With multicore computers you can do quite a bit
> more concurrently. I sometimes see Windows Defender scanning at the same
> time my antivirus does. It doesn't seem to affect performance for me.
> That's with a Q6600 cpu and lots of ram, though. If you are on a
> single-core cpu and 1GB of ram it probably would be a better idea to run
> them in series if you are manually running them.
>
> "st" <st.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D58D96CC-6302-4E81-8C77-D8B956505E55@microsoft.com...
> > What is the best way to run applications? If I want to run spybot,
> > adaware,
> > defrag and disk clean up will it get done faster if i run them all at once
> > or
> > 1 at a time or does it not matter. To me it does not seem like it should
> > matter.
>
 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
David H. Lipman

External


Since: Mar 14, 2004
Posts: 1767



(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:24 pm
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

From: "st" <st.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com>

| What is the best way to run applications? If I want to run spybot, adaware,
| defrag and disk clean up will it get done faster if i run them all at once or
| 1 at a time or does it not matter. To me it does not seem like it should
| matter.

Sequentially.
NEVER simultaneouly !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
Colin Barnhorst

External


Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posts: 307



(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:34 pm
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

It might take more than an hour because when you run them concurrently the
OS will constantly be switching them in and out of the cpu and also the disk
head will be covering more real estate. There is some overhead involved.

"st" <st.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F7BAEDAC-1ADC-44AD-A8DD-F8869AD7A026@microsoft.com...
> But can someone explain it to me more why it matters. Because to me it
> seems
> like if i spend 15 minutes per program and i am running each one
> seperately
> and if i have 4 of them to run thats 1 hour. If i run them all at once to
> me
> it seems like it would still take an hour.
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> Depends on your computer. With multicore computers you can do quite a
>> bit
>> more concurrently. I sometimes see Windows Defender scanning at the same
>> time my antivirus does. It doesn't seem to affect performance for me.
>> That's with a Q6600 cpu and lots of ram, though. If you are on a
>> single-core cpu and 1GB of ram it probably would be a better idea to run
>> them in series if you are manually running them.
>>
>> "st" <st.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D58D96CC-6302-4E81-8C77-D8B956505E55@microsoft.com...
>> > What is the best way to run applications? If I want to run spybot,
>> > adaware,
>> > defrag and disk clean up will it get done faster if i run them all at
>> > once
>> > or
>> > 1 at a time or does it not matter. To me it does not seem like it
>> > should
>> > matter.
>>
 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
David H. Lipman

External


Since: Mar 14, 2004
Posts: 1767



(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:50 am
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

From: "st" <st RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com>

| But can someone explain it to me more why it matters. Because to me it seems
| like if i spend 15 minutes per program and i am running each one seperately
| and if i have 4 of them to run thats 1 hour. If i run them all at once to me
| it seems like it would still take an hour.
|

It doesn't matter how much RAM you have or the CPU type. It has to do with resources being
used.

When it come to defragging and disk cleanup you have much disk activity because the
processes are looking at all files and manipulating them in different ways. You can't
defrag a disk whiles other processes are reading and writing to the disk. In fact it is
suggested that as many applications as possible be closed such that they can perform their
respective jobs properly.

When it comes to adware/spyware/virus scans each not only examines all or specified files
and areas of the Registry and other adware/spyware/virus scans will interfere with each
other. Each should exclusive access to the hard disk and files on them to do their job
properly.

Your assumptions are faulty. You have to understand what each process is doing, how they
are going about the process and how much resources they need to perform their respective
function.

To have each do their job properly run them Sequentially and never simultaneously.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
HeyBub

External


Since: Mar 13, 2005
Posts: 321



(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:56 am
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

st wrote:
> But can someone explain it to me more why it matters. Because to me
> it seems like if i spend 15 minutes per program and i am running each
> one seperately and if i have 4 of them to run thats 1 hour. If i run
> them all at once to me it seems like it would still take an hour.
>


A good example of multi-tasking efficiency is printing. A fifteen minute
print job and a fifteen minute file update job, when run concurrently,
finish in 16 minutes. Run sequentially they finish in 30 minutes.

Conversely, two fifteen minute print jobs take 30 minutes to finish (on the
same printer). It depends on the job mix.

I'd say, barring logical conflicts, a mix of jobs won't be any SLOWER when
run together....
 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
throwitout

External


Since: Nov 24, 2007
Posts: 7



(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:20 am
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Feb 25, 10:10 pm, st <s....DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> What is the best way to run applications? If I want to run spybot, adaware,
> defrag and disk clean up will it get done faster if i run them all at once or
> 1 at a time or does it not matter. To me it does not seem like it should
> matter.

I'd say 1 at a time. If you don't want to worry about it, schedule
this stuff to happen overnight.

Each of those programs are hard drive intensive and your hard drive is
the slowest part of your computer. Each program will be accessing a
different part of the hard drive at the same time and as such the read/
write head will be doing a LOT of seeking, and while it is seeking
none of the programs are getting anything done. Plus depending on what
other programs you have running, and the amount of RAM your system
has, you may be swaping a lot of stuff to and from the page file which
will dramatically reduce system performance. As well by moving around
a lot you're going to lose benefit of the various caches / buffers. If
only one program is used at a time, chances are as it goes through the
disk the next part it needs to access will be near what it is
currently accessing, reducing seek times.

As well some programs like Defrag are unable to access files that are
in use which is why people recommended that you minimize the number of
open programs
 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
Ken Blake

External


Since: Dec 27, 2003
Posts: 1836



(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:09 am
Post subject: Re: running applications all at once [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C1541F79-E0FB-48E8-8853-F93B18B65EF0@microsoft.com...

> It might take more than an hour because when you run them concurrently the
> OS will constantly be switching them in and out of the cpu and also the
> disk head will be covering more real estate. There is some overhead
> involved.


There also might be extra paging required.

> "st" <st.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F7BAEDAC-1ADC-44AD-A8DD-F8869AD7A026@microsoft.com...
>> But can someone explain it to me more why it matters. Because to me it
>> seems
>> like if i spend 15 minutes per program and i am running each one
>> seperately
>> and if i have 4 of them to run thats 1 hour. If i run them all at once
>> to me
>> it seems like it would still take an hour.
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on your computer. With multicore computers you can do quite a
>>> bit
>>> more concurrently. I sometimes see Windows Defender scanning at the
>>> same
>>> time my antivirus does. It doesn't seem to affect performance for me.
>>> That's with a Q6600 cpu and lots of ram, though. If you are on a
>>> single-core cpu and 1GB of ram it probably would be a better idea to run
>>> them in series if you are manually running them.
>>>
>>> "st" <st.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:D58D96CC-6302-4E81-8C77-D8B956505E55@microsoft.com...
>>> > What is the best way to run applications? If I want to run spybot,
>>> > adaware,
>>> > defrag and disk clean up will it get done faster if i run them all at
>>> > once
>>> > or
>>> > 1 at a time or does it not matter. To me it does not seem like it
>>> > should
>>> > matter.
>>>
>
 >> Stay informed about: running applications all at once 
Back to top
Login to vote
Display posts from previous:   
Related Topics:
Applications slow to start - Over the past few weeks, I've noticed that applications, and it doesn't matter which app, have been very slow to start if I click on a file or shortcut, such as .doc for M/S Word, rather than starting with Word and from within the app, opening the..

Updates of Windows disappeared in Installation of Applicat.. - I experienced the disappearing of all the records of updates of Windows (XP home edition) in Installation of Application. Anyway the updates are in the system because other programs like JV16 Power Tools can read them. Someone can help me to recover..

Utility for restoring windows/applications at reboot - Hello, Does anybody know if there are any 3rd party utilities/applications which will restore the windows/applications that were running prior to system shutdown or reboot? I could find a utility like this very useful (think Firefox browser window..

Running Slow - It takes about 2 minutes for everything to load up the first time I log in. Also, navigating through my files takes almost twice as long. Here's my HijackThis log: Logfile of HijackThis v1.98.2 Scan saved at 5:54:22 PM, on 2/1/2005 Platform: Windows X...

Running XP Pro 32 bit on 64 bit processor. - Is this possible? Any issues? TIA, ChrisR
   Windows XP (Home) -> General Discussion All times are: Eastern Time (US & Canada) (change)
Page 1 of 1

 
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You can edit your posts in this forum
You can delete your posts in this forum
You can vote in polls in this forum

Categories:
  Windows XP
 Win 2000/NT/98/ME
 Windows Vista!


[ Contact us | Terms of Service/Privacy Policy ]