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Since: Feb 01, 2008 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:16 am
Post subject: Group nesting troubles Archived from groups: microsoft>public>win2000>active_directory, others (more info?)
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Hi folks, I'm having a bit a problem with some group nesting issues and I
hope some of you might be able to point out the errors of me ways. Please
see the problem below:
A user cannot access a folder on a file server. This folder has NTFS modify
access permission set for "Group C".
The user is a member of "Group A" which is nested in "Group B" which is in
turn nested in "Group C".
Folder Resource -> Group C -> Group B -> Group A -> User
Native mode 2003 domain
Group A (Universal Distribution)
Group B (Universal Security Group)
Group C (Universal Security Group)
If the user is added directly to the folder resource he can access the
folder so I am wondering if this a nesting issue (access token limitation)
or an issue with Security/Distribution? Very much appreciate any help or
pointers. Thank you. >> Stay informed about: Group nesting troubles |
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Since: Oct 09, 2006 Posts: 119
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:00 am
Post subject: Re: Group nesting troubles [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Try creating Group A as a Security Group and mail enable it, I'm not 100%
sure this is your problem but distribution groups don't have sid's assigned
to them, but mail enabled security groups should.
http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/How-Nest-Users-Groups-Permissions.html
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Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
http://www.pbbergs.com
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"barkley bees" <barkbees DeleteThis @nomail.com> wrote in message
news:%23rUbU8LZIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi folks, I'm having a bit a problem with some group nesting issues and I
> hope some of you might be able to point out the errors of me ways. Please
> see the problem below:
>
> A user cannot access a folder on a file server. This folder has NTFS
> modify access permission set for "Group C".
> The user is a member of "Group A" which is nested in "Group B" which is in
> turn nested in "Group C".
>
> Folder Resource -> Group C -> Group B -> Group A -> User
>
> Native mode 2003 domain
> Group A (Universal Distribution)
> Group B (Universal Security Group)
> Group C (Universal Security Group)
>
> If the user is added directly to the folder resource he can access the
> folder so I am wondering if this a nesting issue (access token limitation)
> or an issue with Security/Distribution? Very much appreciate any help or
> pointers. Thank you.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Group nesting troubles |
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Since: Feb 01, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:02 am
Post subject: Re: Group nesting troubles [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Actually, they do have SIDs, but SIDs for distribution groups are not
included in the token. It is a minor technical difference, but I wanted to
point it out.
The problem is as Paul said. Group A needs the security bit set.
Joe K.
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Joe Kaplan-MS MVP Directory Services Programming
Co-author of "The .NET Developer's Guide to Directory Services Programming"
http://www.directoryprogramming.net
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"Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson.RemoveThis@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OfnHIrNZIHA.4332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Try creating Group A as a Security Group and mail enable it, I'm not 100%
> sure this is your problem but distribution groups don't have sid's
> assigned to them, but mail enabled security groups should.
>
> http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/How-Nest-Users-Groups-Permissions.html
>
> --
> Paul Bergson
> MVP - Directory Services
> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
> 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
>
> http://www.pbbergs.com
>
> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "barkley bees" <barkbees.RemoveThis@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23rUbU8LZIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi folks, I'm having a bit a problem with some group nesting issues and I
>> hope some of you might be able to point out the errors of me ways.
>> Please see the problem below:
>>
>> A user cannot access a folder on a file server. This folder has NTFS
>> modify access permission set for "Group C".
>> The user is a member of "Group A" which is nested in "Group B" which is
>> in turn nested in "Group C".
>>
>> Folder Resource -> Group C -> Group B -> Group A -> User
>>
>> Native mode 2003 domain
>> Group A (Universal Distribution)
>> Group B (Universal Security Group)
>> Group C (Universal Security Group)
>>
>> If the user is added directly to the folder resource he can access the
>> folder so I am wondering if this a nesting issue (access token
>> limitation) or an issue with Security/Distribution? Very much appreciate
>> any help or pointers. Thank you.
>>
>>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Group nesting troubles |
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Since: Feb 01, 2008 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Group nesting troubles [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Thanks to you both Paul and Joe! I will take a look at it and test it out in
the morning. Cheers.
"Joe Kaplan" <joseph.e.kaplan RemoveThis @removethis.accenture.com> wrote in message
news:uDOMvNOZIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Actually, they do have SIDs, but SIDs for distribution groups are not
> included in the token. It is a minor technical difference, but I wanted
> to point it out.
>
> The problem is as Paul said. Group A needs the security bit set.
>
> Joe K.
>
> --
> Joe Kaplan-MS MVP Directory Services Programming
> Co-author of "The .NET Developer's Guide to Directory Services
> Programming"
> http://www.directoryprogramming.net
> --
> "Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson RemoveThis @allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OfnHIrNZIHA.4332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Try creating Group A as a Security Group and mail enable it, I'm not 100%
>> sure this is your problem but distribution groups don't have sid's
>> assigned to them, but mail enabled security groups should.
>>
>> http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/How-Nest-Users-Groups-Permissions.html
>>
>> --
>> Paul Bergson
>> MVP - Directory Services
>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>> 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
>>
>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>
>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "barkley bees" <barkbees RemoveThis @nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23rUbU8LZIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi folks, I'm having a bit a problem with some group nesting issues and
>>> I hope some of you might be able to point out the errors of me ways.
>>> Please see the problem below:
>>>
>>> A user cannot access a folder on a file server. This folder has NTFS
>>> modify access permission set for "Group C".
>>> The user is a member of "Group A" which is nested in "Group B" which is
>>> in turn nested in "Group C".
>>>
>>> Folder Resource -> Group C -> Group B -> Group A -> User
>>>
>>> Native mode 2003 domain
>>> Group A (Universal Distribution)
>>> Group B (Universal Security Group)
>>> Group C (Universal Security Group)
>>>
>>> If the user is added directly to the folder resource he can access the
>>> folder so I am wondering if this a nesting issue (access token
>>> limitation) or an issue with Security/Distribution? Very much appreciate
>>> any help or pointers. Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> >> Stay informed about: Group nesting troubles |
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Since: Oct 09, 2006 Posts: 119
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:42 am
Post subject: Re: Group nesting troubles [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I didn't realize that, thanks for pointing out the difference.
--
Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
http://www.pbbergs.com
Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
"Joe Kaplan" <joseph.e.kaplan.RemoveThis@removethis.accenture.com> wrote in message
news:uDOMvNOZIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Actually, they do have SIDs, but SIDs for distribution groups are not
> included in the token. It is a minor technical difference, but I wanted
> to point it out.
>
> The problem is as Paul said. Group A needs the security bit set.
>
> Joe K.
>
> --
> Joe Kaplan-MS MVP Directory Services Programming
> Co-author of "The .NET Developer's Guide to Directory Services
> Programming"
> http://www.directoryprogramming.net
> --
> "Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson.RemoveThis@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OfnHIrNZIHA.4332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Try creating Group A as a Security Group and mail enable it, I'm not 100%
>> sure this is your problem but distribution groups don't have sid's
>> assigned to them, but mail enabled security groups should.
>>
>> http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/How-Nest-Users-Groups-Permissions.html
>>
>> --
>> Paul Bergson
>> MVP - Directory Services
>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>> 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
>>
>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>
>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "barkley bees" <barkbees.RemoveThis@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23rUbU8LZIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi folks, I'm having a bit a problem with some group nesting issues and
>>> I hope some of you might be able to point out the errors of me ways.
>>> Please see the problem below:
>>>
>>> A user cannot access a folder on a file server. This folder has NTFS
>>> modify access permission set for "Group C".
>>> The user is a member of "Group A" which is nested in "Group B" which is
>>> in turn nested in "Group C".
>>>
>>> Folder Resource -> Group C -> Group B -> Group A -> User
>>>
>>> Native mode 2003 domain
>>> Group A (Universal Distribution)
>>> Group B (Universal Security Group)
>>> Group C (Universal Security Group)
>>>
>>> If the user is added directly to the folder resource he can access the
>>> folder so I am wondering if this a nesting issue (access token
>>> limitation) or an issue with Security/Distribution? Very much appreciate
>>> any help or pointers. Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Group nesting troubles |
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