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pjp6

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Since: Sep 04, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:22 pm
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No sympathy please but here's my situation.

I have 8 pcs ethernet'd together using an 8 port Cat5 switch. The pcs run
Netbuie for file and print sharing as well as tcp/ip for dialup proxy server
running on one pc and also for some multi-user games in-house.

I am waiting on a satallite installer to come install a dish to change from
dialup to sat.

To facilitate hooking up the sat's modem I've bought a router with Wan and 4
ethernet ports. I took one of the pcs off the switch, connected the switch
to the router and plugged in that same pcs to the router.

As far as the ethernet is concerned all pcs still see each other and
everything works as before.

Now, the part I need to know.

Sat dish installer won't be by for two weeks. I'm off to rad/chemo treatment
starting next week. I'd like the sat dish installer to basically have as
easy a time of it as possible. I assume he'll do no more than connect a
laptop to the sat modem to get it working and likely have nothing to do with
reconnecting it to the router and getting all the pcs changed to use that
connection.

I'd like to know before hand what I'll have to do to have the pcs that
currently use the proxy server to instead use the router.

tia, Paul

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:21 pm
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"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
news:uLWN0E1bIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| No sympathy please but here's my situation.
|
| I have 8 pcs ethernet'd together using an 8 port Cat5 switch. The pcs run
| Netbuie for file and print sharing as well as tcp/ip for dialup proxy
server
| running on one pc and also for some multi-user games in-house.
|
| I am waiting on a satallite installer to come install a dish to change
from
| dialup to sat.
|
| To facilitate hooking up the sat's modem I've bought a router with Wan and
4
| ethernet ports. I took one of the pcs off the switch, connected the switch
| to the router and plugged in that same pcs to the router.
|
| As far as the ethernet is concerned all pcs still see each other and
| everything works as before.
|
| Now, the part I need to know.
|
| Sat dish installer won't be by for two weeks. I'm off to rad/chemo
treatment
| starting next week. I'd like the sat dish installer to basically have as
| easy a time of it as possible. I assume he'll do no more than connect a
| laptop to the sat modem to get it working and likely have nothing to do
with
| reconnecting it to the router and getting all the pcs changed to use that
| connection.
|
| I'd like to know before hand what I'll have to do to have the pcs that
| currently use the proxy server to instead use the router.
|
| tia, Paul
|
|
|

Ask a question that can't be answered.... it depends upon who the installer
is, what company, what country, and several other things. The proxy is just
another wrench thrown in.

A short answer might be that the installer will likely hook up the SAT and
check the modem and router. IF you have allowed them to access your
computer, the installer MIGHT proceed further with the setup. IF however,
you pre-setup the router and other computers PRIOR to the SAT installation,
then it should just be a plug it in, turn it on situation.

The main issues will be your firewall setup/configuration, router
configuration, and whether you have static or auto assigned IP addresses. If
other computers are using a proxy and you intend to remove it, then the
other computers will receive their settings from the router, IF that's the
way you set it up. Make sure you remove all references to the proxy
[including in any browsers] in your firewalls, modify the firewalls to allow
the local network addressing [static or assigned], and modify or remove your
hosts file {if you're using one].

Here's a general reference page:

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm


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http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:12 am
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"MEB" <meb@not here RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
> news:uLWN0E1bIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | No sympathy please but here's my situation.
> |
> | I have 8 pcs ethernet'd together using an 8 port Cat5 switch. The pcs
run
> | Netbuie for file and print sharing as well as tcp/ip for dialup proxy
> server
> | running on one pc and also for some multi-user games in-house.
> |
> | I am waiting on a satallite installer to come install a dish to change
> from
> | dialup to sat.
> |
> | To facilitate hooking up the sat's modem I've bought a router with Wan
and
> 4
> | ethernet ports. I took one of the pcs off the switch, connected the
switch
> | to the router and plugged in that same pcs to the router.
> |
> | As far as the ethernet is concerned all pcs still see each other and
> | everything works as before.
> |
> | Now, the part I need to know.
> |
> | Sat dish installer won't be by for two weeks. I'm off to rad/chemo
> treatment
> | starting next week. I'd like the sat dish installer to basically have as
> | easy a time of it as possible. I assume he'll do no more than connect a
> | laptop to the sat modem to get it working and likely have nothing to do
> with
> | reconnecting it to the router and getting all the pcs changed to use
that
> | connection.
> |
> | I'd like to know before hand what I'll have to do to have the pcs that
> | currently use the proxy server to instead use the router.
> |
> | tia, Paul
> |
> |
> |
>
> Ask a question that can't be answered.... it depends upon who the
installer
> is, what company, what country, and several other things. The proxy is
just
> another wrench thrown in.
>
> A short answer might be that the installer will likely hook up the SAT
and
> check the modem and router. IF you have allowed them to access your
> computer, the installer MIGHT proceed further with the setup. IF however,
> you pre-setup the router and other computers PRIOR to the SAT
installation,
> then it should just be a plug it in, turn it on situation.
>
> The main issues will be your firewall setup/configuration, router
> configuration, and whether you have static or auto assigned IP addresses.
If
> other computers are using a proxy and you intend to remove it, then the
> other computers will receive their settings from the router, IF that's the
> way you set it up. Make sure you remove all references to the proxy
> [including in any browsers] in your firewalls, modify the firewalls to
allow
> the local network addressing [static or assigned], and modify or remove
your
> hosts file {if you're using one].
>
> Here's a general reference page:
>
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
>
>
> --
>
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> _________
>
>
>

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:11 pm
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"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
news:ejxFoV%23bIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OpuM5o4bIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| >
| >
| > "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
| > news:uLWN0E1bIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | No sympathy please but here's my situation.
| > |
| > | I have 8 pcs ethernet'd together using an 8 port Cat5 switch. The pcs
| run
| > | Netbuie for file and print sharing as well as tcp/ip for dialup proxy
| > server
| > | running on one pc and also for some multi-user games in-house.
| > |
| > | I am waiting on a satallite installer to come install a dish to change
| > from
| > | dialup to sat.
| > |
| > | To facilitate hooking up the sat's modem I've bought a router with Wan
| and
| > 4
| > | ethernet ports. I took one of the pcs off the switch, connected the
| switch
| > | to the router and plugged in that same pcs to the router.
| > |
| > | As far as the ethernet is concerned all pcs still see each other and
| > | everything works as before.
| > |
| > | Now, the part I need to know.
| > |
| > | Sat dish installer won't be by for two weeks. I'm off to rad/chemo
| > treatment
| > | starting next week. I'd like the sat dish installer to basically have
as
| > | easy a time of it as possible. I assume he'll do no more than connect
a
| > | laptop to the sat modem to get it working and likely have nothing to
do
| > with
| > | reconnecting it to the router and getting all the pcs changed to use
| that
| > | connection.
| > |
| > | I'd like to know before hand what I'll have to do to have the pcs that
| > | currently use the proxy server to instead use the router.
| > |
| > | tia, Paul
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| > Ask a question that can't be answered.... it depends upon who the
| installer
| > is, what company, what country, and several other things. The proxy is
| just
| > another wrench thrown in.
| >
| > A short answer might be that the installer will likely hook up the SAT
| and
| > check the modem and router. IF you have allowed them to access your
| > computer, the installer MIGHT proceed further with the setup. IF
however,
| > you pre-setup the router and other computers PRIOR to the SAT
| installation,
| > then it should just be a plug it in, turn it on situation.
| >
| > The main issues will be your firewall setup/configuration, router
| > configuration, and whether you have static or auto assigned IP
addresses.
| If
| > other computers are using a proxy and you intend to remove it, then the
| > other computers will receive their settings from the router, IF that's
the
| > way you set it up. Make sure you remove all references to the proxy
| > [including in any browsers] in your firewalls, modify the firewalls to
| allow
| > the local network addressing [static or assigned], and modify or remove
| your
| > hosts file {if you're using one].
| >
| > Here's a general reference page:
| >
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
| > --
| >
| > MEB
| > _________
|
| Thanks ...
|
|

YW. If you have any future issues please post what those may be and the
group will work through them with you.

IF you do have issues, please post some preliminaries for the group to use.
Run and post the IP/network configurations, Pings, and basic final setup
[e.g., the physical network layout = modem > router > switch(es) >
computers/nodes > firewalls [make and settings] > network IP addressing and
subnets < to ensure the least amount of time for diagnosis.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:08 am
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"MEB" <meb@not here.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OoCl4HDcIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.RemoveThis@_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
> news:ejxFoV%23bIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> |
> | "MEB" <meb@not here.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:OpuM5o4bIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | >
> | >
> | > "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.RemoveThis@_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
> | > news:uLWN0E1bIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | > | No sympathy please but here's my situation.
> | > |
> | > | I have 8 pcs ethernet'd together using an 8 port Cat5 switch. The
pcs
> | run
> | > | Netbuie for file and print sharing as well as tcp/ip for dialup
proxy
> | > server
> | > | running on one pc and also for some multi-user games in-house.
> | > |
> | > | I am waiting on a satallite installer to come install a dish to
change
> | > from
> | > | dialup to sat.
> | > |
> | > | To facilitate hooking up the sat's modem I've bought a router with
Wan
> | and
> | > 4
> | > | ethernet ports. I took one of the pcs off the switch, connected the
> | switch
> | > | to the router and plugged in that same pcs to the router.
> | > |
> | > | As far as the ethernet is concerned all pcs still see each other and
> | > | everything works as before.
> | > |
> | > | Now, the part I need to know.
> | > |
> | > | Sat dish installer won't be by for two weeks. I'm off to rad/chemo
> | > treatment
> | > | starting next week. I'd like the sat dish installer to basically
have
> as
> | > | easy a time of it as possible. I assume he'll do no more than
connect
> a
> | > | laptop to the sat modem to get it working and likely have nothing to
> do
> | > with
> | > | reconnecting it to the router and getting all the pcs changed to use
> | that
> | > | connection.
> | > |
> | > | I'd like to know before hand what I'll have to do to have the pcs
that
> | > | currently use the proxy server to instead use the router.
> | > |
> | > | tia, Paul
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | > Ask a question that can't be answered.... it depends upon who the
> | installer
> | > is, what company, what country, and several other things. The proxy is
> | just
> | > another wrench thrown in.
> | >
> | > A short answer might be that the installer will likely hook up the
SAT
> | and
> | > check the modem and router. IF you have allowed them to access your
> | > computer, the installer MIGHT proceed further with the setup. IF
> however,
> | > you pre-setup the router and other computers PRIOR to the SAT
> | installation,
> | > then it should just be a plug it in, turn it on situation.
> | >
> | > The main issues will be your firewall setup/configuration, router
> | > configuration, and whether you have static or auto assigned IP
> addresses.
> | If
> | > other computers are using a proxy and you intend to remove it, then
the
> | > other computers will receive their settings from the router, IF that's
> the
> | > way you set it up. Make sure you remove all references to the proxy
> | > [including in any browsers] in your firewalls, modify the firewalls to
> | allow
> | > the local network addressing [static or assigned], and modify or
remove
> | your
> | > hosts file {if you're using one].
> | >
> | > Here's a general reference page:
> | >
> | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
> | > --
> | >
> | > MEB
> | > _________
> |
> | Thanks ...
> |
> |
>
> YW. If you have any future issues please post what those may be and the
> group will work through them with you.
>
> IF you do have issues, please post some preliminaries for the group to
use.
> Run and post the IP/network configurations, Pings, and basic final setup
> [e.g., the physical network layout = modem > router > switch(es) >
> computers/nodes > firewalls [make and settings] > network IP addressing
and
> subnets < to ensure the least amount of time for diagnosis.
>
> --
>
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> _________
>
>

Thanks guy for offer for future help. Problem is my lack of experience as
I've never dealt with other than dialup for internet connection hence have
never seen a pc's setup for even cable modem. As far as a the Ethernet goes,
it's been migrating along since WFW3.1 and has just evolved into what it is
now, e.g. 8 pc's using static ip addresses.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:55 pm
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"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
news:ewsF2SJcIHA.3484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:OoCl4HDcIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >
| > "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
| > news:ejxFoV%23bIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > |
| > | "MEB" <meb@not here RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:OpuM5o4bIHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
| > | > news:uLWN0E1bIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | > | No sympathy please but here's my situation.
| > | > |
| > | > | I have 8 pcs ethernet'd together using an 8 port Cat5 switch. The
| pcs
| > | run
| > | > | Netbuie for file and print sharing as well as tcp/ip for dialup
| proxy
| > | > server
| > | > | running on one pc and also for some multi-user games in-house.
| > | > |
| > | > | I am waiting on a satallite installer to come install a dish to
| change
| > | > from
| > | > | dialup to sat.
| > | > |
| > | > | To facilitate hooking up the sat's modem I've bought a router with
| Wan
| > | and
| > | > 4
| > | > | ethernet ports. I took one of the pcs off the switch, connected
the
| > | switch
| > | > | to the router and plugged in that same pcs to the router.
| > | > |
| > | > | As far as the ethernet is concerned all pcs still see each other
and
| > | > | everything works as before.
| > | > |
| > | > | Now, the part I need to know.
| > | > |
| > | > | Sat dish installer won't be by for two weeks. I'm off to rad/chemo
| > | > treatment
| > | > | starting next week. I'd like the sat dish installer to basically
| have
| > as
| > | > | easy a time of it as possible. I assume he'll do no more than
| connect
| > a
| > | > | laptop to the sat modem to get it working and likely have nothing
to
| > do
| > | > with
| > | > | reconnecting it to the router and getting all the pcs changed to
use
| > | that
| > | > | connection.
| > | > |
| > | > | I'd like to know before hand what I'll have to do to have the pcs
| that
| > | > | currently use the proxy server to instead use the router.
| > | > |
| > | > | tia, Paul
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | > Ask a question that can't be answered.... it depends upon who the
| > | installer
| > | > is, what company, what country, and several other things. The proxy
is
| > | just
| > | > another wrench thrown in.
| > | >
| > | > A short answer might be that the installer will likely hook up the
| SAT
| > | and
| > | > check the modem and router. IF you have allowed them to access your
| > | > computer, the installer MIGHT proceed further with the setup. IF
| > however,
| > | > you pre-setup the router and other computers PRIOR to the SAT
| > | installation,
| > | > then it should just be a plug it in, turn it on situation.
| > | >
| > | > The main issues will be your firewall setup/configuration, router
| > | > configuration, and whether you have static or auto assigned IP
| > addresses.
| > | If
| > | > other computers are using a proxy and you intend to remove it, then
| the
| > | > other computers will receive their settings from the router, IF
that's
| > the
| > | > way you set it up. Make sure you remove all references to the proxy
| > | > [including in any browsers] in your firewalls, modify the firewalls
to
| > | allow
| > | > the local network addressing [static or assigned], and modify or
| remove
| > | your
| > | > hosts file {if you're using one].
| > | >
| > | > Here's a general reference page:
| > | >
| > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/gen/security/NETWORKING.htm
| > | > --
| > | >
| > | > MEB
| > | > _________
| > |
| > | Thanks ...
| > |
| > |
| >
| > YW. If you have any future issues please post what those may be and the
| > group will work through them with you.
| >
| > IF you do have issues, please post some preliminaries for the group to
| use.
| > Run and post the IP/network configurations, Pings, and basic final setup
| > [e.g., the physical network layout = modem > router > switch(es) >
| > computers/nodes > firewalls [make and settings] > network IP addressing
| and
| > subnets < to ensure the least amount of time for diagnosis.
| >
| > --
| >
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| > _________
| >
| >
|
| Thanks guy for offer for future help. Problem is my lack of experience as
| I've never dealt with other than dialup for internet connection hence have
| never seen a pc's setup for even cable modem. As far as a the Ethernet
goes,
| it's been migrating along since WFW3.1 and has just evolved into what it
is
| now, e.g. 8 pc's using static ip addresses.
|
|

That's always been my choice as well. Static seems to negate network loss
when things go wrong, and its much simpler to diagnose exactly what node or
device is out of the loop.

The link [previously supplied, which I made] will provide some potential
help should you find a minor problem or conflict, and basic setup
procedures. The other links on that page will provide additional details of
individual problems, and some files and diagnostics should you have a need.
But as I said, this group will gladly help should you need it, good luck.

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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