Installing locally without network?

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"Edmund the banana" <Edmundthebanana RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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: May I install Windows NT 4.0 by copying the installation files from the CD
: into the hard drive, then install WinNT from that folder of files (\I386)
to
: the partition where I want?
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

Just because you don't know how to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
I've just done it in 2 different manners and it's as simple an
operation as can be. It's almost as easy as installing with the CD boot
execpt you have to do the diskette shuffle dance.

John

Good News! wrote:
> No.
>
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

Good News! wrote:

No.

John John wrote:
> Just because you don't know how to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
> I've just done it in 2 different manners and it's as simple an
> operation as can be. It's almost as easy as installing with the CD boot
> execpt you have to do the diskette shuffle dance.

Hi John,

I'm glad their are others around like yourself willing to correct
BLATANT mis-information of this type.

We still seem to get the occasional 'expert' who suffers from what I
call 'peditis' - ie: only stops talking long enough to pull one foot out
of their mouth and insert the other one !

Oh - BTW, just so this post isn't total frivolity, I've just added a
heap more detail into the software power off page relating to laptop PCs
- your comments welcomed.

http://nt4ref.zcm.com.au/softoff.htm

Calvin.
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Calvin wrote:

> Oh - BTW, just so this post isn't total frivolity, I've just added a
> heap more detail into the software power off page relating to laptop PCs
> - your comments welcomed.
>
> http://nt4ref.zcm.com.au/softoff.htm

Looks good, but I have to add that I have little experience with
laptops. I like that you have given workarounds along with the proper
warnings for those who might want to have the feature on their machines.
I think the last time we discussed this I mentioned that my old Dell
Optiplex 300's rely on a Dell utility (pssvc.exe) to do the shutting
down. The service is set to start in the HKLM CurrentControlSet when
the pc boots. I found that out when one day a long while back I
disabled the service. I thought it was a Microsoft patch for Outlook
but after I disabled it my pc's lost the ability to auto shutdown.

John
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

Very simple, it is NOT possible to install NT by copying the i386 folder to
the hard drive!!!!

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"Calvin" <nospam RemoveThis @spamcop.net> wrote in message
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: Good News! wrote:
:
: No.
:
: John John wrote:
: > Just because you don't know how to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
: > I've just done it in 2 different manners and it's as simple an
: > operation as can be. It's almost as easy as installing with the CD boot
: > execpt you have to do the diskette shuffle dance.
:
: Hi John,
:
: I'm glad their are others around like yourself willing to correct
: BLATANT mis-information of this type.
:
: We still seem to get the occasional 'expert' who suffers from what I
: call 'peditis' - ie: only stops talking long enough to pull one foot out
: of their mouth and insert the other one !
:
: Oh - BTW, just so this post isn't total frivolity, I've just added a
: heap more detail into the software power off page relating to laptop PCs
: - your comments welcomed.
:
: http://nt4ref.zcm.com.au/softoff.htm
:
: Calvin.
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

You don't know what you are talking about. I just did it less than 24
hours ago. Why don't you get an NT4 disk and try it for yourself. At
this juncture I would have to think that you have never used, let alone
install NT4 on a computer.

John

Good News! wrote:

> Very simple, it is NOT possible to install NT by copying the i386 folder to
> the hard drive!!!!
>
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

"Microsoft has included many different options for installing Windows NT
4.0 Workstation. You can install from the network, the local hard disk,
or the CD-ROM drive. There are also options for upgrading, running fresh
installations, and running multiple installations. Because every user
does not require the same type of installation, many different command
line switches are available, to allow for floppy-less or unattended
installations, for example, or one to create the three setup floppies."
http://www.tis97.co.uk/nt4workstation/newpage2.htm#_Toc408626018

Read here since you don't believe me maybe you will believe Microsoft:

Install from the Local Hard Disk
If you are installing Windows NT by using the three Windows NT boot
disks, try the following installation method instead:
1. Copy the I386 folder from the CD-ROM to your hard disk.
2. From the I386 folder on your hard disk, run the following command:

winnt /b

(The /b switch is to remedy another problem)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/165863/en-us


Here Microsoft refers to the procedure in an article for another
installation problem:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/156654/en-us

John




Good News! wrote:

> Very simple, it is NOT possible to install NT by copying the i386 folder to
> the hard drive!!!!
>
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

John John wrote:

> Looks good, but I have to add that I have little experience with
> laptops. I like that you have given workarounds along with the proper
> warnings for those who might want to have the feature on their machines.
> I think the last time we discussed this I mentioned that my old Dell
> Optiplex 300's rely on a Dell utility (pssvc.exe) to do the shutting
> down. The service is set to start in the HKLM CurrentControlSet when
> the pc boots. I found that out when one day a long while back I
> disabled the service. I thought it was a Microsoft patch for Outlook
> but after I disabled it my pc's lost the ability to auto shutdown.

Hi John,

I do vaguely recall you telling me you had found a 'third path' to
software power off, but the details had long ago escaped me

I'll add a comment to the effect "Some hardware manufacturers have
developed alternative arrangements to achieve software power off. The
general approach of these solutions is a hardware specific service or
executable file added to the system and configured to run at system
startup. Such methods are beyond the scope of this article."

Calvin.
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Well that's made you look real smart!

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"John John" <audetweld.TakeThisOut@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
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: You don't know what you are talking about. I just did it less than 24
: hours ago. Why don't you get an NT4 disk and try it for yourself. At
: this juncture I would have to think that you have never used, let alone
: install NT4 on a computer.
:
: John
:
: Good News! wrote:
:
: > Very simple, it is NOT possible to install NT by copying the i386 folder
to
: > the hard drive!!!!
: >
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

Nice one

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"John John" <audetweld DeleteThis @nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uwI5UVgeGHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
: "Microsoft has included many different options for installing Windows NT
: 4.0 Workstation. You can install from the network, the local hard disk,
: or the CD-ROM drive. There are also options for upgrading, running fresh
: installations, and running multiple installations. Because every user
: does not require the same type of installation, many different command
: line switches are available, to allow for floppy-less or unattended
: installations, for example, or one to create the three setup floppies."
: http://www.tis97.co.uk/nt4workstation/newpage2.htm#_Toc408626018
:
: Read here since you don't believe me maybe you will believe Microsoft:
:
: Install from the Local Hard Disk
: If you are installing Windows NT by using the three Windows NT boot
: disks, try the following installation method instead:
: 1. Copy the I386 folder from the CD-ROM to your hard disk.
: 2. From the I386 folder on your hard disk, run the following command:
:
: winnt /b
:
: (The /b switch is to remedy another problem)
: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/165863/en-us
:
:
: Here Microsoft refers to the procedure in an article for another
: installation problem:
: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/156654/en-us
:
: John
:
:
:
:
: Good News! wrote:
:
: > Very simple, it is NOT possible to install NT by copying the i386 folder
to
: > the hard drive!!!!
: >
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

There is another one here: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=126690

As far as I am aware all Microsoft Windows versions up to and including
XP can be installed from a flat on the local hard drive, but I would
have to verify on XP to be certain.

John

Good News! wrote:

> Nice one
>
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network? 

Emm... what about giving me the steps? I am a bit tangled by the sites that
you people gave me.
Let me see...
1. Start winnt /x (I have the 3 floppies on hand)
2. Let the system copy temporary files.
3. Reboot with the floppy #1
4. Keep changing the disks according to the screen
5. ???

Anyone can complete for me?

Perhaps...

1. Start winnt /b
2. Let the system copy temporary files.
3. Reboot
4. ???

Maybe...

1. Start winnt /x (I have the 3 floppies on hand)
2. Let the system copy temporary files.
3. Reboot with the floppy #1
4. Press F6
5. Keep changing the disks according to the screen
6. ???

Or...

1. Start winnt /b
2. Let the system copy temporary files.
3. Reboot
4. F6
5. ???
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I did it from a flat on C: as well as from a flat on another partition
using winnt without any switches.

The partition must be FAT, NT4 cannot read, use or be installed on
FAT32. Boot with a DOS 6.22 diskette. Use fdisk and create a 2GB
primary partition. Set the partition active and format it. Create a
folder ( md ) on C: and copy the I386 folder from the CD to the folder
on C. Navigate to the folder on C and run winnt from its location.
When asked or prompted for the location to copy the files "FROM" use the
folder on C: not the CD.

When you run winnt you will be prompted to insert the diskettes. You
won't need to use F6 unless you have to load Mass Storage Device drivers
(RAID or an IDE card controller), if so you need the drivers on a
diskette. After the setup program does the diskettes it will extract
files from the flat folder to the hard drive and then prompt you to
reboot. Follow the instructions on screen.

John

Edmund the banana wrote:

> Emm... what about giving me the steps? I am a bit tangled by the sites that
> you people gave me.
> Let me see...
> 1. Start winnt /x (I have the 3 floppies on hand)
> 2. Let the system copy temporary files.
> 3. Reboot with the floppy #1
> 4. Keep changing the disks according to the screen
> 5. ???
>
> Anyone can complete for me?
>
> Perhaps...
>
> 1. Start winnt /b
> 2. Let the system copy temporary files.
> 3. Reboot
> 4. ???
>
> Maybe...
>
> 1. Start winnt /x (I have the 3 floppies on hand)
> 2. Let the system copy temporary files.
> 3. Reboot with the floppy #1
> 4. Press F6
> 5. Keep changing the disks according to the screen
> 6. ???
>
> Or...
>
> 1. Start winnt /b
> 2. Let the system copy temporary files.
> 3. Reboot
> 4. F6
> 5. ???
 >> Stay informed about: Installing locally without network?