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thanatoid

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:20 am
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Ron Martell <ron.martell.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
news:veiji2psac75q4htlehhtcc4f4nk12gs5d@4ax.com:

> thanatoid <waiting.TakeThisOut@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Wait until MS buys one, then you'll say the exact opposite.
>
> Bullshit

Sorry, that wasn't terribly nice of me to say.

>>It
>>is almost impossible to run a 95 or 98 machine without one,
>
> Bullshit. Ran them for years, and still running 98SE on
> one machine. All it takes is a bit of knowledge about what
> you are doing.

I exaggerated. I ran a win95 machine for several years before I
installed one of "those". It *did* seem to help.

>> and
>>I bet they don't hurt in XtraProblems or
>>VastInfiniteSpywareTrojanAssortment either.
>
> Most of the tweaks imposed by these snake-oil memory
> managers often do end up hurting overall performance, such
> as by causing excessive memory paging activity in order to
> maintain a totally unnecessary supply of "free memory".

Well, my 95 machine has 64MB of ram so it uses the swap file a
fair bit with or without a mem manager.

> For more information see
> http://www.radsoft.net/resources/software/reviews/redux/

I will, thanks.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:35 am
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I'm still running Win95b on a DEC P133 with 128Mb EDO. Made a big difference
when I went from 64>128. Desktop Icons drew faster on login, IE opened
significantly faster as well as transferring to a new web page faster. My
Mp3 Software rips faster and my burner finally writes at the MAX of 4X. I
run no ram management.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:09 pm
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I use Windows 95a on a PC that has 1.5GB of PC133 RAM.

I added

MaxPhysPage=30000

in the [386Enh] section of SYSTEM.INI

to limit the total amount of memory Windows handles to 768Mb (as it
gets close to 1GB, it becomes less stable). No RAM management
necessary.

(it works the same with Windows 3.11 by the way)

The point is you don't have to limit the amount of physical memory in
your computer.

Jerry wrote:
> I'm still running Win95b on a DEC P133 with 128Mb EDO. Made a big difference
> when I went from 64>128. Desktop Icons drew faster on login, IE opened
> significantly faster as well as transferring to a new web page faster. My
> Mp3 Software rips faster and my burner finally writes at the MAX of 4X. I
> run no ram management.
>
> --
> Jer S.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:16 pm
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thanatoid wrote:
>
> Tim Slattery <Slattery_T DeleteThis @bls.gov> wrote in
> news:tk42i2hb7bmd2j9l2r44nssbsg59qdfu4f@4ax.com:
>
> > thanatoid <waiting DeleteThis @the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>Pedro <someone DeleteThis @my-deja.com> wrote in
> >>news:ejmsh2pu0s87hbpl2mj9khlpb210037g5h@4ax.com:
> >>
> >>> We have a P2-350 Mhz with Win95b and 256 Mb RAM. I have
> >>> seen a few articles about the max ram that can be placed
> >>> in the mobo, for Win95. Some say 256, some say 512.
> >>>
> >>> Will it be okay to add another 256 Mb RAM ?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Okay but pointless. The 95B OS can not use more than 64 MB
> >>of RAM.
> >
> > NOT TRUE!! I think this myth comes from the fact that a lot
> > of motherboards built in the Win95 era couldn't cache more
> > than 64MB. You could still use more than 64MB, up to
> > whatever your motherboard supported (they didn't support
> > 4GB in those days). Access to memory over 64MB would be
> > slower than if it were cached, but still a *lot* faster
> > than the virtual memory file on your disk!
> >
>
> Yes, I've heard this 64MB 95 limit may not actually be true, but
> many apparently knowledgeable sources say it is. I once looked
> for a **definitive** answer (if there is any such animal in the
> computer zoo) and I think I found confirmation of it on a VERY
> respected site - sorry, can't remember which. It's been years.
>
> All I can say is I have been running a 95B machine for 9 years
> with 64 MB RAM with RAMpage installed (about 6 years ago) and it
> works just fine.
>
> Also, if anyone IS running 95, it's a fair bet they are running
> it on a machine built 10 or 12 years ago.
>
> It's sort of a moot point since from what I have read in NG's
> over the last few years, me and this guy are the only two people
> in the whole world still using 95. ;-#


Hey, I'm still using Win95 on my Gateway P5-90, which I bought new in 1994.
It still runs happily with an upgarded 200Mhz chip and 64MB of RAM. I run
Word 6 and Quicken 6 for my home business. Yes, I like the user interface of
Quicken 6, circa 1994. I do my bookkeeping and taxes on it. Win95 runs my
business' late 1970's DOS inventory/invoice program very handily. I get slower,
but reliable internet broadband access on my Charter 10mbs service. It also
networks beautifully with a standard Linksys router connecting my other Win98
and WinXP desktops and laptops. Best of all, Win95 never hiccups. It just keeps
on running. So Win95 is still a productive part of my home biz. But I will admit,
there's also some nostalgia involved Smile

Scott
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:51 am
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Scott <golden.TakeThisOut@uslink.net> wrote in
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> thanatoid wrote:

<SNIP>

>> All I can say is I have been running a 95B machine for 9
>> years with 64 MB RAM with RAMpage installed (about 6 years
>> ago) and it works just fine.

<SNIP>

> Hey, I'm still using Win95 on my Gateway P5-90, which I
> bought new in 1994. It still runs happily with an upgarded
> 200Mhz chip and 64MB of RAM. I run Word 6 and Quicken 6
> for my home business. Yes, I like the user interface of
> Quicken 6, circa 1994. I do my bookkeeping and taxes on it.
> Win95 runs my business' late 1970's DOS inventory/invoice
> program very handily. I get slower, but reliable internet
> broadband access on my Charter 10mbs service. It also
> networks beautifully with a standard Linksys router
> connecting my other Win98 and WinXP desktops and laptops.
> Best of all, Win95 never hiccups. It just keeps on running.
> So Win95 is still a productive part of my home biz. But I
> will admit, there's also some nostalgia involved Smile
>
> Scott


Nice to meet another person who believes computers are to be
used for work and not for staring at the semi-transparent
windows. Nothing wrong with nostalgia either! I MISS the good
old days.

Cheers.

P.S.
My 166MMX machine is now 10½ years old and works beautifully.
But you DO have me beat by 3 years!


--
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groups. Agree with him on specific issues if you must, but don't
fall into the trap of thinking he's a "kindred spirit". He WILL
turn on you and injury may result.

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:19 pm
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:16:55 -0600, Scott <golden.TakeThisOut@uslink.net> wrote:

>
>
>thanatoid wrote:
>>
>> Tim Slattery <Slattery_T.TakeThisOut@bls.gov> wrote in
>> news:tk42i2hb7bmd2j9l2r44nssbsg59qdfu4f@4ax.com:
>>
>> > thanatoid <waiting.TakeThisOut@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Pedro <someone.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com> wrote in
>> >>news:ejmsh2pu0s87hbpl2mj9khlpb210037g5h@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >>> We have a P2-350 Mhz with Win95b and 256 Mb RAM. I have
>> >>> seen a few articles about the max ram that can be placed
>> >>> in the mobo, for Win95. Some say 256, some say 512.
>> >>>
>> >>> Will it be okay to add another 256 Mb RAM ?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Okay but pointless. The 95B OS can not use more than 64 MB
>> >>of RAM.

96MB here.
Norm

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:20 pm
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donotreply.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid (Norm) wrote in
news:47c0888e.433084@news.zetnet.co.uk:

> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:16:55 -0600, Scott
> <golden.TakeThisOut@uslink.net> wrote:
>>
>>thanatoid wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim Slattery <Slattery_T.TakeThisOut@bls.gov> wrote in
>>> news:tk42i2hb7bmd2j9l2r44nssbsg59qdfu4f@4ax.com:
>>>
>>> > thanatoid <waiting.TakeThisOut@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Pedro <someone.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com> wrote in
>>> >>news:ejmsh2pu0s87hbpl2mj9khlpb210037g5h@4ax.com:
>>> >>
>>> >>> We have a P2-350 Mhz with Win95b and 256 Mb RAM. I
>>> >>> have seen a few articles about the max ram that can
>>> >>> be placed in the mobo, for Win95. Some say 256, some
>>> >>> say 512.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Will it be okay to add another 256 Mb RAM ?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>Okay but pointless. The 95B OS can not use more than 64
>>> >>MB of RAM.
>
> 96MB here.

I have 96MB now too - there is little difference in performance,
to be honest, but what can you expect from a 166MMX. It' still
faster than a Vista machine.

I have long since realized I was /kind of/ incorrect about the
64MB limit, although many DO mention it, and I still have to see
a /definite/ statement, like from whomever designed the 95
kernel etc. (Of course this will never happen.)

FWIW, I do not believe the 95B OS is making use of the 32 extra
MB's I put in, since all that happens now is that after I have
booted up (45 seconds from BIOS password) I now have up to 60 MB
RAM free whereas before I had about 30. Of course, that's not
really much of an indication of anything. If I do something
stupid like run 10 instances of a browser at the same time, it
/will/ crash like it always did. Swap file use appears to be
identical (I haven't bothered to actually take down the figures,
it's not that important).

Cheers.


--
Savagery of the relationships between people. Here, everyone is
on the make, all of them doing their damndest to take someone
else by surprise, to relieve this man of his property, to enjoy
that girl's flesh. There is no gentleness, there are only
pleasures. Eyes which already devour the easy prey offered them,
eyes which seek out the chink in the armour, the weak point, the
little patch of pale skin into which the nails can sink and
bring blood spurting out. Spying eyes, fierce eyes, sharp eyes
which loathe and wound. A look which passes summary judgment, a
knowing look, one which wants, not to understand, but to keep at
a distance, to consume at a distance. A kind of tentacle, eye-
sucker clamped to the intellect's stomach. The world is not
pure. The world is free, roamed by wild animals, inhabited by
greedy, hate-filled monsters. Loneliness, indifference: hatred.

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