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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:02 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:30 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:30 pm
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What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else, 'toid.
thanatoid wrote:
<snip>
> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the
> basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do
> with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with
> problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur
> when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write
> malware that will run on 98 anymore... >> Stay informed about: What is final, last windows update, security file we shoul.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:30 pm
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Maybe he could try the Win 3.1 newsgroup.
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else, 'toid.
>
> thanatoid wrote:
> <snip>
>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the
>> basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do
>> with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with
>> problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur
>> when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write
>> malware that will run on 98 anymore... >> Stay informed about: What is final, last windows update, security file we shoul.. |
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Since: Aug 09, 2004 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:18 pm
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On 16 Feb 2008 19:47:52 GMT, thanatoid <waiting.RemoveThis@the.exit.invalid>
wrote:
>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer
>> (916281)
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.
>> mspx
>>
>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow
>> Remote Code Execution (918439)
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.
>> mspx
>>
>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow
>> Remote Code Execution (917344)
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.
>> mspx
>>
>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow
>> Remote Code Execution (917734)
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.
>> mspx
>>
>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could
>> Allow Remote Code Execution (918547)
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.
>> mspx ==============================
>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are
>> available at http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and
>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp
>> . No more updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06;
>> Support fot Win9x ended on 11 Jul-06.
>
>OP:
>
>The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the
>basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do
>with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with
>problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur
>when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write
>malware that will run on 98 anymore. XP and Disasta offer MUCH
>more exciting opportunities for making a real mess of your
>machine.
>
>So:
>
>1. Do not use Internet Explorer for anything except viewing chm
>help files (thank you Microsoft). (You can actually remove IE
>entirely with the program from www.litepc.com in spite of what
>MS and its brainwashed slaves claim).
Been using Firefox for a few years now <g>.
>2. Get a real browser, a real newsreader and a real mail
>program.
Agent many years before that <g> ...
>3. Do not use Windows Media Player (duuh).
Good. Safe there, too. Years ago heard of problems and have only
ever used WMP6 Classic!
>4. Do not use MS Office.
Ouch. That's a toughie since still I still work in office. Despite
my indifference to anything M$, have to say that nothing comes close
to Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint! These 3 apps make up for some of
the garbage the rest of the whole M$ family is!
However, hate to say it but I'm migrating over to Linux so this won't
be as big an issue. Have had XP for about 15 months now and it's
eroded what little patience I had left since Win98SE went. After
98SE, Windows has steadily progressed downhill! 98SE was superb;
can't say very much positive about 2K and virtually nothing good about
XP. Oh ... my mistake ... XP is very pretty!
However, a colleague gave me his old computer that was gathering dust.
It's small, just 20gigs but I'm looking forward to using Win98SE
again. Despite any inherent system designs/flaws with 98SE, went
nearly 8 years at home virtually problem-free on it. One of the
reasons I'm enjoying Linux forays is the ease of use and knowing that
I'm returning to a text-based user interface alongside a GUI-based
one. That was one of Win98SE's strengths for me.
>There are far superior and usually free alternatives for all MS
>products claiming to perform the above functions.
Yeah, going to learn OpenOffice since it comes packaged with the Linux
distro I'm currently looking at. I'll probably eventually switch
everything M$ to OO. Just will take some time <g>.
>5. Forget about the word "update".
<g> I never did do the update thing. But now that Win98SE is no
longer supported, my plan is to dl the last, comprehensive "update"
and after installing Win98SE, apply it and that's the end of that.
>Should you decide not to follow the sage advice above, and if
>you really enjoy wading deep in the MS mud, an excellent source
>of updates for 98SE is at:
>
>http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
Thanks! I'm actually not an update fan but a colleague harped on and
on about it this week I may take the plunge with the "new" box a
colleague gave to me that I mention above. I prefer to install
Win98SE and maintain security apps on it rather than updating even
though everyone always harps on about the no-no aspect of that.
As an aside, nice to know that Linux seems to be run on a better
foundation. Can't tell you how many Windows users in my circle of
family and friends who are not computer literate have had their
computers run into the ground because they didn't know they need
firewalls, anti-virus apps, anti-spyware apps, anti- ..., ad
infinitum, ad nauseum!
But getting back to 98SE, it is and always will be my favourite
Windows flavour. It allowed me extreme control, the registry never
talked back to me, every single change I _ever_ made to it or the
system in general was _always_ obeyed ...
For the 15 months, I've fought daily battles for dominance and control
over my stupid XP box which gives me nothing but trouble. XP experts
on the ngs never solved the details vs. large icons war! _None_ of
their expertise did one bit of good! <ha!> I've even had to use a WE
replacement (such a stupid thing to have to find alternative for!).
Anyway, thanks for the help, guys. Much appreciated. Last thing to
say is that who wants the latest Ferarri that limps along and gives
less-than-ideal mileage when the sleek volkswagen outstrips it in
performance every time (not talking the hardware advances; undoubtably
good. Just don't need 'em! Performance and reliability much more
important to me!)  D >> Stay informed about: What is final, last windows update, security file we shoul.. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:19 pm
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:51:16 -0500, "MEB" <meb@not here.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Ah, though not officially supported, Microsoft did produce additional
>Certificates updates, the last I downloaded for 9X was version
>16...12-13-2007.
Thanks.
>MEB
>http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>_________
>
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>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>| MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (916281)
>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.mspx
>|
>| MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code
>| Execution (918439)
>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.mspx
>|
>| MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code
>| Execution (917344)
>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.mspx
>|
>| MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow Remote Code
>| Execution (917734)
>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.mspx
>|
>| MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could Allow Remote
>Code
>| Execution (918547)
>| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.mspx
>| ==============================
>| All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are available at
>| http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and
>| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp. No more
>| updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06; Support fot Win9x ended
>on
>| 11 Jul-06.
>| --
>| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>| MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>| AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>| DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>|
>| StargateFan wrote:
>| > Thank you!
>|
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Since: Aug 21, 2006 Posts: 269
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:30 pm
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"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in
news:ulx#dwOcIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else,
> 'toid.
Nice job top-posting, PA. And what a surprising post from a
brainwashed MS slave.
> thanatoid wrote:
> <snip>
>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points
>> out the basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them
>> have to do with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1%
>> has to do with problems in MS "graphics rendering engines"
>> etc. and ONLY occur when running MS programs. Not to
>> mention few people write malware that will run on 98
>> anymore...
>
--
"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest
news with persons from the beyond."
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Since: Aug 21, 2006 Posts: 269
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:30 pm
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"Bill in Co." <not_really_here RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in
news:uqxN6zOcIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> Maybe he could try the Win 3.1 newsgroup.
Nice job top-posting, Bill. And what a surprising post from
someone who has repeatedly proven he REALLY knows what he's
talking about.
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else,
>> 'toid.
>>
>> thanatoid wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points
>>> out the basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of
>>> them have to do with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other
>>> 1% has to do with problems in MS "graphics rendering
>>> engines" etc. and ONLY occur when running MS programs.
>>> Not to mention few people write malware that will run on
>>> 98 anymore...
>
>
>
--
"As you know, it is considered bad form to discuss the latest
news with persons from the beyond."
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:44 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:44 am
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I rest my case.
thanatoid wrote:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ulx#dwOcIHA.4696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>
>> What a crock of OT FUD. Go peddle it someplace else,
>> 'toid.
>
> Nice job top-posting, PA. And what a surprising post from a
> brainwashed MS slave.
>
>> thanatoid wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points
>>> out the basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them
>>> have to do with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1%
>>> has to do with problems in MS "graphics rendering engines"
>>> etc. and ONLY occur when running MS programs. Not to
>>> mention few people write malware that will run on 98
>>> anymore... >> Stay informed about: What is final, last windows update, security file we shoul.. |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:23 am
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WARNING!!!
"Thanatoid" is not a real being and in particular is missing key components
that result in his not being human at all. He has exhibited plenty of
anti-human behavior in these groups. Agree with him on specific issues if
you must, but don't fall in to the trap of thinking he's a "kindred spirit".
He WILL turn on you and injury may result.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
"StargateFan" <IDon'tAcceptSpam@IDon'tAcceptSpam.com> wrote in message
news:0d5fr3hboae3i6djeg76cuesu4i4cnoe94@4ax.com...
> On 16 Feb 2008 19:47:52 GMT, thanatoid <waiting.RemoveThis@the.exit.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:ex3Q1nMcIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> MS06-021 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer
>>> (916281)
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-021.
>>> mspx
>>>
>>> MS06-022 Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow
>>> Remote Code Execution (918439)
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-022.
>>> mspx
>>>
>>> MS06-023 Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow
>>> Remote Code Execution (917344)
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-023.
>>> mspx
>>>
>>> MS06-024 Vulnerability in Windows Media Player Could Allow
>>> Remote Code Execution (917734)
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-024.
>>> mspx
>>>
>>> MS06-026 Vulnerability in Graphics Rendering Engine Could
>>> Allow Remote Code Execution (918547)
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-026.
>>> mspx ==============================
>>> All of the above were released on 13 Jun-06 and are
>>> available at http://windowsupdate/microsoft.com and
>>> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp
>>> . No more updates for Win9x were released after 13 Jun-06;
>>> Support fot Win9x ended on 11 Jul-06.
>>
>>OP:
>>
>>The above info is extremely helpful as it clearly points out the
>>basic fact about MS updates, i.e. that 99% of them have to do
>>with IE/OE, MS Office, and WMP. The other 1% has to do with
>>problems in MS "graphics rendering engines" etc. and ONLY occur
>>when running MS programs. Not to mention few people write
>>malware that will run on 98 anymore. XP and Disasta offer MUCH
>>more exciting opportunities for making a real mess of your
>>machine.
>>
>>So:
>>
>>1. Do not use Internet Explorer for anything except viewing chm
>>help files (thank you Microsoft). (You can actually remove IE
>>entirely with the program from www.litepc.com in spite of what
>>MS and its brainwashed slaves claim).
>
> Been using Firefox for a few years now <g>.
>
>>2. Get a real browser, a real newsreader and a real mail
>>program.
>
> Agent many years before that <g> ...
>
>>3. Do not use Windows Media Player (duuh).
>
> Good. Safe there, too. Years ago heard of problems and have only
> ever used WMP6 Classic!
>
>>4. Do not use MS Office.
>
> Ouch. That's a toughie since still I still work in office. Despite
> my indifference to anything M$, have to say that nothing comes close
> to Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint! These 3 apps make up for some of
> the garbage the rest of the whole M$ family is!
>
> However, hate to say it but I'm migrating over to Linux so this won't
> be as big an issue. Have had XP for about 15 months now and it's
> eroded what little patience I had left since Win98SE went. After
> 98SE, Windows has steadily progressed downhill! 98SE was superb;
> can't say very much positive about 2K and virtually nothing good about
> XP. Oh ... my mistake ... XP is very pretty!
>
> However, a colleague gave me his old computer that was gathering dust.
> It's small, just 20gigs but I'm looking forward to using Win98SE
> again. Despite any inherent system designs/flaws with 98SE, went
> nearly 8 years at home virtually problem-free on it. One of the
> reasons I'm enjoying Linux forays is the ease of use and knowing that
> I'm returning to a text-based user interface alongside a GUI-based
> one. That was one of Win98SE's strengths for me.
>
>>There are far superior and usually free alternatives for all MS
>>products claiming to perform the above functions.
>
> Yeah, going to learn OpenOffice since it comes packaged with the Linux
> distro I'm currently looking at. I'll probably eventually switch
> everything M$ to OO. Just will take some time <g>.
>
>>5. Forget about the word "update".
>
> <g> I never did do the update thing. But now that Win98SE is no
> longer supported, my plan is to dl the last, comprehensive "update"
> and after installing Win98SE, apply it and that's the end of that.
>
>>Should you decide not to follow the sage advice above, and if
>>you really enjoy wading deep in the MS mud, an excellent source
>>of updates for 98SE is at:
>>
>>http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
>
> Thanks! I'm actually not an update fan but a colleague harped on and
> on about it this week I may take the plunge with the "new" box a
> colleague gave to me that I mention above. I prefer to install
> Win98SE and maintain security apps on it rather than updating even
> though everyone always harps on about the no-no aspect of that.
>
> As an aside, nice to know that Linux seems to be run on a better
> foundation. Can't tell you how many Windows users in my circle of
> family and friends who are not computer literate have had their
> computers run into the ground because they didn't know they need
> firewalls, anti-virus apps, anti-spyware apps, anti- ..., ad
> infinitum, ad nauseum!
>
> But getting back to 98SE, it is and always will be my favourite
> Windows flavour. It allowed me extreme control, the registry never
> talked back to me, every single change I _ever_ made to it or the
> system in general was _always_ obeyed ...
>
> For the 15 months, I've fought daily battles for dominance and control
> over my stupid XP box which gives me nothing but trouble. XP experts
> on the ngs never solved the details vs. large icons war! _None_ of
> their expertise did one bit of good! <ha!> I've even had to use a WE
> replacement (such a stupid thing to have to find alternative for!).
>
> Anyway, thanks for the help, guys. Much appreciated. Last thing to
> say is that who wants the latest Ferarri that limps along and gives
> less-than-ideal mileage when the sleek volkswagen outstrips it in
> performance every time (not talking the hardware advances; undoubtably
> good. Just don't need 'em! Performance and reliability much more
> important to me!) D
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:16 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:51 pm
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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
news:#xio9jXcIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
> WARNING!!!
>
> "Thanatoid" is not a real being and in particular is
> missing key components that result in his not being human
> at all. He has exhibited plenty of anti-human behavior in
> these groups. Agree with him on specific issues if you
> must, but don't fall in to the trap of thinking he's a
> "kindred spirit". He WILL turn on you and injury may
> result.
>
"Into" a trap, Gary. Not "in to". Sigh.
I disabled my KF because it's been getting really boring, so I
saw this post. You REALLY should know how to spell my nym by
now.
Aside from that, you actually managed to be funny (and somewhat
insightful, too, although that I suspect is more of an
incidental result of overextending the joke). Congratulations.
Quite a change from the usual same-old.
Do I have your permission to use this post (including the
author's and NG name) as my new sig?
Regards
t.
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